I just started looking at the people around me in these kind of left-wing, radical student groups

and political movements.

And what I found is that these were people who were the sons and daughters of the most elite

people from around the globe.

These are people who are using this vocabulary cynically to establish their own status,

to establish their own power.

And then after a couple

years of wearing the kaffia, are going to go on and take over their father's company. And that was

really the question. Well, if these people are utterly amoral frauds, maybe there's something

wrong with these ideas. Christopher F. Rufo is a writer, filmmaker, and senior fellow and director of the initiative

on critical race theory at the Manhattan Institute, as well as a contributing editor of

City Journal, where his writings explore many issues such as gender ideology, identity politics,

addiction, crime, and the decline of American cities. Rufo gained attention as an outspoken

critic of progressive ideologies and policies, fighting against

CRT and DEI, and even inspiring a presidential order and legislation in 15 states, where he's worked

closely with lawmakers to craft successful public policy. As a filmmaker, Rufo has directed

four documentaries for PBS, Netflix, and international television, including America Laws,

which tells the story of

three forgotten American cities. Chris has a popular substack where he can follow all of his work

on critical race theory, gender ideology, institutional capture, and social decay. His new book,

America's Cultural Revolution, covers the period between the 1960s and the summer of George Floyd.

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