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Fighter vs. Writer: Matt Brown Reacts to Ronda Rousey vs. Gina Carano, Zuffa Boxing Signing Conor Benn Away from Eddie Hearn

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Sports, News, Sports News

4.51.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2026

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

On the latest episode of The Fighter vs. The Writer, UFC legend Matt Brown and Damon Martin discuss the news that Ronda Rousey is coming back to face Gina Carano in a fight on Netflix. Did the UFC mess up not booking this fight? Is this actually a fight MMA fans are interested in watching? Plus we’ll discuss Zuffa Boxing signing Conor Benn away from Eddie Hearn’s Matchroom Boxing and if the reported terms of the deal might upset some UFC fighters enough to make some bigger financial demands. All this and much more on the latest episode of The Fighter vs. The Writer! Subscribe to MMA Fighting Check out our full video catalog Like MMA Fighting on Facebook Follow on Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:54.8

Welcome back to the Fighter versus the writer. I am Damon Martin. He is UFC legend Matt Brown. And Matt, I know you were fresh home from Houston. You had a week or a few days at least down in Houston with your boy Josiah Harrell. I know it didn't go his way. But obviously, you know, short notice fight, you got to take that opportunity. And that's what fighters do. Yeah, man, he's a killer. He's going to be back. It was a tough fight to take on eight days notice to begin with. But he stepped up to the challenge. And I think he could have done better than he did. I think he thinks he could have done better than he did. You know, I don't think that's just me saying that. you know the the funny thing is i don't think a lot of people notice this and i didn't even notice it live

0:58.9

when i watched it but uh you know he got knocked out on the takedown when he took down uh jacobby

1:06.3

smith he hit his head and i don't think it completely knocked him out but it like clearly

1:11.0

rocked him real bad and then and then of course Joe he got an easy finish after that but

1:16.3

that was news to my ears but I'll tell you what man that's the first time I cornered someone

1:22.1

and they got knocked out and he's a good friend too obviously you know obviously like I'm pretty close with him, train with him for a while now, you know,

1:31.1

and started coaching him recently since my retirement and his kind of coming up.

1:36.9

And, man, I'll tell you what, that was, that shit hurts, bro.

1:41.1

That shit is hard to deal with, man.

1:46.8

Looking in the cage and, you know, watching him stumble over himself. And they sent me in because they needed some because he's trying

1:52.0

to, you know, grab the reps and the doctor. And they sent me in to try to calm him down and

1:57.8

have, you had to look in his eyes and tell you, bro, you lost. Like, you need to stop. And, um, that's fucking hard, man, especially knowing when he's, to add, you know, more to that, the fact that he had the brain surgery, you know, and, um, and, you know, actually, being that I've never cornered someone that, knocked out before. Like I didn't actually know

2:18.9

kind of what it's like. I've just kind of seen it on TV. I've never been in the corner before.

2:23.3

And to watch him kind of come back from it, I mean, it was a scary thing, man. It was actually

2:27.5

one of the few times, I guess probably the only time I, or I've been in the corner and kind of my heart kind of dropped, you know, and actually got a little bit worried about someone. You know, it is, it is scary in that moment. And, you know, credits to the EOC when a guy gets knocked out, they'll generally just linger on him. You know, they're not trying to put it in the spotlight that he got knocked out. But obviously just as the moment happens, like you see like when Josiah got up, like you see he's stumbling, you know, trying to, you know, struggling to get up.

2:54.3

And that's scary, right? spot like they got knocked out. But obviously just as the moment happens, like you see like when

2:51.0

Josiah got up, like you see he's stumbling, you know, trying to, you know, struggling to get up.

2:54.2

And that's scary, right? Like when a guy gets knocked out like that, and that knockout in particular,

2:58.0

like, it is pretty brutal. I didn't notice the takedown knocked him out either. I don't know it was

3:01.0

a great takedown. And then it did seem weird he got reversed so quickly. Like I know Jacobi Smith, Oklahoma State wrestler, not taking anything away from him, but it was weird how he got to take that boom. It was like immediate reversal without any real resistance. I think it makes sense now that he was kind of knocked out from that. And then obviously, you know, when him getting punched and obviously getting finished right there, makes more, like I said, not taking any way of jacobby did the right

3:25.3

thing and you know who knows what would have happened after right like that's and a win's a win and

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