Hello, everyone. You're listening to Family Talk, a radio broadcasting ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Dr. James Dobson, and thank you for joining us for this program.

Well, welcome to Family Talk, the broadcast ministry of the Dr. James Dobson Family Institute.

I'm Roger Marsh, and today we're going to continue exploring the powerful journey of healing

between mothers and daughters with our special in-studio guest, Donna Fisher.

Donna's here with her husband, Herb, and of course Dr. Dobson is here with his wife, Shirley.

The Fissures and the Dobsons have been longtime friends, and this is a very, very special conversation

you're about to hear.

You know, childhood wounds can follow us into adulthood, often causing us to repeat harmful

patterns we experience growing up.

Donna Fisher's story reveals how God transformed her painful relationship with her

mother into something beautiful, eventually leading them to create a Bible study for women called

Change of Pace that has touched thousands of lives for over five decades in the Lancaster,

Pennsylvania area. Now, as we joined in today's conversation, Donna is sharing a deeply

personal revelation about her struggle to break the cycle of harsh discipline that she experienced as a

child. Let's listen in now as Donna shares her heart with Dr. James Dobson.

I did not want to be like my mother.

And here I was.

I would do things.

I knew mother did that.

I didn't think it was right, but then I thought,

well, maybe every child's treated like this,

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