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Welcome to TrustMe, the podcast about cults, extreme belief and manipulation from two angry women

who've actually experienced it. I'm Lola Blanc and I'm Megan Elizabeth. And today our guests are

Felicia Rosario and Daniel Levin, survivors of Larry Ray and his Sarah Lawrence sex cult.

So today we're going to discuss how they came to meet the charismatic Larry, the ways in which he

leveraged his photographic memory and government connections to craft a persona of ultimate authority

and how he slowly gained control of their minds and their lives all under the guise of helping them.

They'll tell us about how his manipulation escalated into sexual abuse and ultimately horrific

violence, how one might of being alone led to Daniel finally leaving and how they're both doing

now that Larry's finally going to prison for the harm that he has caused. That's right. Yeah,

thank god. By Larry, I wish we could have talked to them for so much longer, but I love this

interview because we got to really talk about how he sort of really started to take control of

their minds, which I feel like is such an important part of the picture. Like it's not just about

the actual physical abuse, you know what I mean? And their minds are so what people

historically think of as smart. So I can really show what can happen to anyone. I mean they are

smart. I know. I just mean like hard work traditionally. Yeah, yeah. They have the like

qualifications technically for what you would consider a smart person totally. Yeah, of course

they're geniuses, but you know what I mean? So a million people that have gotten into calls but

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