Feeling the GPT-5 (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)
Robert Wright's Nonzero
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🗓️ 20 August 2025
⏱️ 55 minutes
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0:28 Bob defends the Unabomber (kind of) 3:05 Paul nurses his Mickey-inflicted wounds 15:55 Bob deflates the GPT-5 deflation 25:19 How big a deal are LLM hallucinations? 28:10 AI's coming social and economic disruptions 35:17 How Bob and Paul use AI 39:16 The ideas of Hanno Sauer 48:15 Heading to Overtime Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (https://smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded August 19, 2025. Twitter: https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast. |
| 0:29.0 | Hello, Paul. |
| 0:30.7 | Hello, Robert. |
| 0:31.9 | Good to see you. |
| 0:33.4 | Good to see you, Paul. |
| 0:34.5 | Let me introduce us. |
| 0:35.2 | I'm Robert Wright, publisher with Non-Zero Newsletter. |
| 0:37.3 | This is a Non-Zero podcast. You're Paul Blum. Well-known Canadian psychologist, author of numerous books, proprietor of the Small Potato's newsletter. |
| 0:51.9 | And what else? I mean... |
| 0:53.9 | We have so much to talk about we began this conversation um we've done |
| 0:59.1 | an ai and then you said paul i have a really bad feeling about this and i thought you were |
| 1:05.3 | talking about ai and i said no this conversation we're about to have. Yeah, I do. |
| 1:11.6 | I mean, to be clear, I have bad feelings about AI, but, yeah, I was talking about this |
| 1:15.5 | conversation we're about to have, yeah. |
| 1:17.3 | We are both, we are both fairly unprepared. |
| 1:20.8 | If you are not watching this on video, you will not know that Bob is not in his regular |
| 1:26.6 | book-lined study, but is in a cabin, strangely reminiscent to where the Unabomber was caught. |
| 1:34.4 | And he is in an undisclosed location. |
| 1:38.5 | You know, Paul, is it too self-indulgent of me to talk about my time cover story that led with the sentence |
| 1:48.7 | this is many years ago like 30 oh my god it was like 30 uh i think the exact sentence was |
| 1:56.3 | there's a little bit of the unabomber in all of us that's a good good, it's a good send, a good lead. And, you know, one of his victims hated me forever for this piece. Because of that, you know, in fact, the guy Yale, Glearner. Yale, as you long were. Yes. Right? He lost, he, he, he lost the hand, I think. He lost the hand. Yeah. |
| 2:20.7 | Yeah, I mean, it wasn't just the first sentence that got him. |
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