Feed Drop: "Into the Machine" with Tobias Rose-Stockwell

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🗓️ 13 November 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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This week, we’re bringing you Tristan’s conversation with Tobias Rose-Stockwell on his podcast “Into the Machine.” Tobias is a designer, writer, and technologist and the author of the book “The Outrage Machine.”

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, it's Tristan Harris. Welcome to Your Undivided Attention.
0:08.0	And today we're going to bring you something a little different. This is actually a conversation
0:11.4	that I had with my friend Tobias Bros. Stockwell on his podcast called Into the Machine. And Tobias
0:18.0	is also the author of the book The Outrage Machine. He's been a friend for a long time.
0:21.4	And so I thought this conversation was honestly just a bit more honest and sobering, but also hopeful about what choice we could really make for the other path that we all know is possible with AI.
0:33.4	So you may have noticed on this podcast, we have been trying to focus a lot more on solutions. We actually just shipped an episode last week, which was, what if we had fixed social media and what are all the things that we would have done in order to make that possible? And just to say, we'd really love to hear from you about these solutions and what you think the gaps are and what other questions you're holding. One of the things about this medium is we don't get to hear from our listeners directly,
0:56.0	and we'd love to hear from you.
0:57.1	So please, if you have more thoughts, more questions, send us an email at Undividedatheumetec.com,
1:02.4	and I hope you enjoy this conversation with Tobias.
1:19.1	Thank you. There's something really strange happening with the economy right now.
1:27.8	Since November of 2022, the stock market, which historically linked up directly with the labor market diverged.
1:31.6	The stock market is going up while job openings are going down.
1:34.3	There's the first time this has happened in modern history.
1:39.2	Office construction is plummeting, data center construction is booming.
1:51.0	And if you look closely at where the money is moving, in the world of investing, a lot of people are betting on the fact that AI workers will replace human workers imminently. My guest today is Tristan Harris. He's the founder of the Center for Humane Technology.
1:55.0	You may have seen him in the Netflix documentary, The Social Dilemma, which he produced and starred in.
2:06.6	Tristan has been a champion for AI ethics for a long time, and this conversation gets strange.
2:18.4	Tristan and I don't agree on everything, but I think we land somewhere important, which is discussing pragmatic solutions that might be possible in this very strange moment with AI.
2:20.0	I really enjoyed it.
2:20.9	I hope you will too.
2:22.2	A few notes.
2:24.7	We speak about different AI companies.
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