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Today, I'm welcoming to the show, Josh Wood.

He's the executive director at Them Before Us, an organization that exists to protect and defend the natural rights of children to their mother and father. By now, maybe you've seen the viral video going

around of singer-songwriter Shane McAnally holding his quote-unquote child, a child that he

commissioned via surrogate for him and his quote unquote husband.

And he's holding the child and when he asks the child whether he would like to go see

dadda or pop, the child responds mama, to which Shane says there is no mama here.

You got to pick either dad or pop and the child begins to cry.

And of course, the child probably doesn't understand what's going on here, but out pick either dad or pop, and the child begins to cry. And of course, the child probably

doesn't understand what's going on here, but out of the mouths of babes. So Josh Wood and I have a

great conversation for you about this clip, about Obergefell, about surrogacy, about the rights of

children to their mom and dad, and so much more, you won't want to miss it. Without further ado, please welcome to the show, Josh Wood.

Josh, it's so great to have you on the Kylie cast. Thanks for joining me today. Man, thanks for having me. Such a pleasure. Why don't you start by just telling listeners who aren't familiar with you, who you are, where you come from, and how you got into the work you're doing now? Yeah. Well, I live in Charlotte, North Carolina with my wife, Corinne, our four kiddos. I was working at a church here and was doing a lot of

the outreach, like the missions work. And I got really convicted that the way to attack poverty,

the way to probably fix our country was going to be to focus on family. I saw so many things coming from

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