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Civics 101

Federal Courts: Muhammad Ali and the Draft

Civics 101

NHPR

History, Government, Society & Culture

4.22.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

This episode is the culmination of our series on famous federal court trials in US history.  In April of 1967, Muhammad Ali (formerly Cassius Clay) refused to step forward at a draft induction ceremony in Texas. His opposition to serving in Vietnam launched a sequence of trials and appeals that went all the way to the Supreme Court. It's a case about conscientious objection, protest, America's shifting views of the war, and how athletes have the unique role of "soldiers without a weapon." This episode features Winston Bowman from the Federal Judicial Center, and Jeffrey Sammons from the NYU History Department.  Support our show and our mission with a gift to Civics 101 today, it means the world to us. CLICK HERE: Visit our website to see all of our episodes, donate to the podcast, sign up for our newsletter, get free educational materials, and more! To see Civics 101 in book form, check out A User's Guide to Democracy: How America Works by Hannah McCarthy and Nick Capodice, featuring illustrations by Tom Toro. Check out our other weekly NHPR podcast, Outside/In - we think you'll love it! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Friday in Houston was the champion's moment of truth. He showed up at the induction

0:06.6

center but refused to step forward, bringing on the thread of prison and his shadow.

0:11.1

I'm not going to help nobody, get something my niggas don't have, I'm going to die, then

0:15.3

I'll write you fight you. If I'm going to die, you my enemy, my name is a white people,

0:21.3

not be a clown, not a channel, it's a Japanese, you my pose and when I'm going to freedom,

0:25.8

you my pose and when I won't justice, you my pose and when I'm going to equality, you

0:29.3

won't stand up for me and I'm her, I go for my religious please and you want me to

0:33.2

go somewhere and fight, but you won't stand up for me here at home.

0:39.2

I'm Nick Capodiche. I'm Hannah McCarthy. And this is Civics 101, the podcast fresh course

0:43.5

on the basics of our democracy works. Today we are concluding our series on famous federal

0:49.0

court trials with a trial that involves one of the most famous individuals in modern history,

0:57.0

some say one of the greatest. I told you all that I was the greatest of all time.

1:02.7

Athletes in the world. The case is USV Caches Clay aka Muhammad Ali.

1:09.1

Okay, we're talking about the trial with heavyweight boxing champion Muhammad Ali refusing

1:13.8

to serve in Vietnam, correct? Right. And this case is not just about one individual's

1:19.7

protest. It's about conscientious objection of the draft, religion, celebrity and most

1:26.8

importantly, the complicated relationship between athletes and politics.

1:34.4

And to take us through it all Hannah, I got two titans of jurisprudence as well as lovers

1:38.9

of the sweet science of bruising. Can I use the salad bowl for this? Yeah. All right,

1:43.0

here we go. And the right corner, Winston Bowman. My name is Winston Bowman. I'm an associate

1:54.3

I'm sorry. I thought that over. My name is Winston Bowman. I'm an associate historian

2:00.4

with the federal judicial center. And in the left, Jeffrey sevens. Yes, Jeffrey T.

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