Whether it's the government or the American people they've already said,

okay, well, it's okay for the government to take some land and conserve it.

So now is it just like a battle over the percentage?

So you have these agencies that continue to grab more land,

grab more property, yet there is no way to manage it.

The funds aren't there. Why is there this continual initiative

to take on more responsibility that is not possible to manage on your own?

They're just getting kind of nervous about this agenda,

about the government rolling in and taking up more and more land and getting more and more control.

So it makes sense to say, okay, if we know that there's private lands,

we know that endangered species have inhabit those lands.

Why not work with the people who have the most knowledge about what's happening in their backyard?

Instead of someone that's working out of a headquarters that's a state away

or Washington, D.C. to dictate what's happening.

Arale, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

So maybe to start with, before you became the director of Fish and Wildlife,

you were both a lawyer and a biologist.

That's correct.

How did that come to be?

It was through career experience.

So I enjoyed the outdoors.

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