Brian Lairer on WNYC, and it's our special Brian Lairer show today.

The weekend shows visit us on a weekday.

We're kind of starting the weekend one day early for so much fun and interesting content that these shows always bring.

And to help with our two-for-one matching day, we have two guests to go.

Lulu Miller, co-host of Radio Lab will be here in a little bit.

And with us now, John Donvin, host and moderator of the show, Open to Debate, which we are on Saturdays.

I wanted to include Open to debate, because this show

shares a certain ethic with that show, shares some values, and I think they do a great job.

Open to debate is exactly what the name sounds like. They have actual debates with opposing

points of view, but not candidate debates, which, as we know, can become so much

about personal attacks. These are issue debates with knowledgeable people who have come to

different conclusions on the issue that they're tackling. We'll play sample clips from a couple of

their shows about gene editing the next generations and about when artists art should be canceled if the artist

was a bad person. But just for those who haven't heard open to debate, here's how John Donovan

opens the show. Picture this. A genetic disease runs in your family. Your doctor warns you

that if you try to have a child,

that child is likely to inherit the disease,

but new gene editing technology could change your child's fate.

Critics say this technology will exacerbate inequality,

pressure everyone into editing their children to stay competitive,

and will meddle with the most basic aspect

of our humanity, our DNA. Others say with safeguards against abuse, this technology could benefit us

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