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on the top subscribe with me. Welcome to the Delie Con with me, James Delie Paul. And

I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I'm really looking

forward to this one with Fergus O'Connor Greenwood. I've pronounced your name right, haven't

you? Oh, you have James, yes, thank you. I was expecting more of a kind of an Irish

lilt, I have to say, with a name like that. Yes, well given it's also sputly Irish way,

I think that's a dinkum, but no, there's actually no Irish connection in our family, but it

does go back to the head of the Chartres movement, sort of the original further so Connor, I'm

sure there's a few before him, but yeah, he was around in the 1840s and what happened

is so well, we've expected that after we died, I think a lot of families would name one of

their sons after him, and that's how the name came into the family line. And I'm sorry

that we can't see what you look like. I mean some of my, some of my audience are, they

consume things just on audio, but there's an element that likes to see things, but you've

just got, do you can live off the grid or something? Well, I'm pretty much a very 20th century

in my tech, no website, no social media, just an email. Well anyway, I first of all wanted

to congratulate you on an absolute masterpiece of a book. I mean, people in awake circles

are often dropping the name of books like Carol Quigley's tragedy and hope and saying

it's all in there. Have you ever tried wading through Carol Quigley's tragedy?

I did cheat because there's a book called Tragedy in Hope 101 by Joseph Plummer and

he's distilled, I think Quigley's, what was it, was it 1200 or 1300 pages down to about

a manageable 265 or so. So I have delved into the original, but if anyone wants to read

into that, I would recommend Plummer's because he's cut out a lot of the chaff.

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