How worried about a recession are you?

Yes, that's the big question.

I'm on a scale of 1 to 10.

I'm probably somewhere around a 5 or 6 now, which is way higher.

If we had this conversation in January, I think I would have been like a 2.

So it just shows you how much it's jumped up.

You can pick your favorite economist.

I think J.P. Morgan put the recession odds at 40%.

Larry Summers was at 50%.

Goldman Sachs still pretty conservative around 20 to 25%.

But everyone agrees the recession risks have really gone up.

Tariffs, the stock market, doge cuts.

Americans are getting bad vibes from the economy.

But if consumers quit spending, a vibe session could turn into a real session.

I'm John Glenn Hill, guest hosting today's show.

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