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Fear and Paranoia in American Policing

What Next | Daily News and Analysis

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Daily News, News, News Commentary

4.32.4K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2021

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

What makes a police officer shoot when a suspect’s hands are up? To understand this, it helps to examine police training, and the predominant lesson that many young officers receive: Any encounter could be your last.  Guest: Michael Sierra-Arévalo, assistant professor at the University of Texas at Austin. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Like a lot of people, Michael Sierra or Revolo doesn't watch those police videos anymore.

0:12.0

You know the ones.

0:13.2

The body cam footage and the cell phone pictures.

0:16.2

Last week there was one showing a police officer killing 13-year-old Adam Toledo in Chicago,

0:22.7

even though he had his hands up.

0:24.6

And then there was one showing a cop in Minneapolis, confusing her gun for her taser, before shooting

0:29.9

20-year-old Dante Wright during a traffic stop.

0:33.2

I stopped watching last summer, so I to date have not watched the entirety of George Floyd's

0:39.8

murder.

0:41.3

Why?

0:45.1

I spent a lot of time watching videos like that actually throughout most of my time in

0:50.5

graduate school.

0:51.5

I was working on game violence reduction at the time.

0:53.8

So I thought that it was important for me to watch this video as an exercise in quote-unquote

1:01.4

understanding the facts.

1:03.8

And the more videos I watched, the clearer and clearer became to me that the empirical

1:11.5

observable reality of the video was actually not that important for what was happening in

1:17.5

the world outside.

1:20.1

Michael teaches at UT Austin now, he studies policing, which is part of why it struck me

1:24.5

that even he has stopped pressing play when these videos pop up.

1:29.1

He's spent hours observing the way cops speak to each other about the work they do.

1:34.8

Over the last week, he's watched on social media as officers have processed these latest

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