I'm Claire Fallon and I'm Emma Gray and this is Love to See It, an obsessively detailed

recap podcast about the bachelor and other pop culture that makes us laugh, cry, and curse

the patriarchy. We can't live with these shows and we can't live without them, but we

can break down every juicy moment and unpack all the weird messages these shows send us

about love, sex, and dating.

Welcome to Love to See It with Emma and Claire. We are back for part two of our F-Boy Island

bonus episode series. We're so excited.

After this week's episode of The Bachelor at, I think what we all need is some low-stakes

drama and specifically to watch Nikki Glazer give some F-Boy some much-needed therapy.

Yes, more fake therapy in our fake reality TV, please. Joining us to discuss episodes four

to six of HBO Max's reality hit F-Boy Island is Sandra Ellen who writes the truly great

on the media newsletter. Sandra, thanks for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me.

On the top note level, just wonderful to watch a reality dating show that does not leave

me by the end of every season needing therapy is great.

I don't need more things in my life that cause me to need emotional processing.

This show provides only happiness. Let's start at the beginning of episode four. These

shockwaves are rippling through still because it has just been confirmed that Garrett is

a flaming F-Boy as Nikki says. Garrett is still sort of trying to pretend that he's not,

but everyone knows now.

Yeah, he's just told them all, like, sure, I was talking to this girl before and we're

on a break. It's fine. That wasn't a relationship.

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