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What's a belief you chose to let go of?

Oh my gosh.

That God was a transactional God.

That you do something and that by doing it, you will in a sense force God to do this.

So I had to let go of that idea of the transactional God versus God who's kind of in relationship with us.

I'm Rachel Martin, and this is Wildcard, the show where cards control the conversation.

Each week, my guest answers questions about their life, questions pulled from a deck of cards.

They're allowed to skip one question and to flip one back on me.

My guest this week is author and podcaster Father James Martin.

I mean, I'm a Jesuit priest.

I feel like I've found the purpose of my life.

I still feel the sense of, oh, you know, I need more.

You all out there who listen to Wildcard a lot will know that this show has been a place

where I've gotten to work through a lot of my own questions

about religion and faith and spirituality, all of the above, but it comes in through the side

door, mostly. Today, we're doing something a little different. No side door spirituality. We are

going right through the front with Father James Martin. He is arguably one of the most famous Catholic priests in the country, thanks to his many appearances with Stephen Colbert.

Now he's the host of a new podcast called The Spiritual Life with Father James Martin.

And I am so happy to welcome him to Wildcard.

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