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The CrossFit Podcast

Fasting, Ozempic, and Food Addiction With Dr. Jason Fung (EP. 033)

The CrossFit Podcast

CrossFit LLC

Health & Fitness

4.3757 Ratings

🗓️ 8 September 2025

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Jason Fung, MD, is a Canadian nephrologist and world-renowned expert in intermittent fasting and low-carb nutrition. He is the author of best-selling books including “The Obesity Code” and “The Diabetes Code,” and co-founder of The Fasting Method, where he helps people use evidence-based nutrition strategies to prevent and reverse chronic disease.

Dr. Jason Fung joins host Jocelyn Rylee on the CrossFit Podcast to unpack the myths and realities of fasting, obesity, and the role of hormones in nutrition. He explains why “starvation mode” is misunderstood, why calories alone don’t tell the full story, and how hunger — not willpower — is at the center of sustainable weightloss.

The conversation covers fasting as a therapeutic tool, the risks and uses of drugs like Ozempic, the dangers of ultra-processed foods, and the influence of our environment on health. Fung also shares insights from his upcoming book, “The Hunger Code,” which explores the three types of hunger — homeostatic, hedonic, and conditioned — and how to address each.

Topics Covered

  • Myth-busting “starvation mode” and fasting
  • Calories vs. hormones
  • Insulin, GLP-1, cortisol, and the hormonal drivers of fat storage
  • Ozempic, risks, misuse, and ethical prescribing
  • Ultra-processed foods and the rise of food addiction
  • The role of environment and social influence in obesity
  • Practical strategies: satiety, whole foods, fasting, and community

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Transcript

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0:00.0

So you are what I think most people would consider to be like the godfather of fasting.

0:05.0

Are you telling me that all calories are equally fattened? And it's not true.

0:09.0

We have these new tools available. I've mentioned them several times, the GLP1 agonist, the

0:13.0

Ozenpic, the Wagobe. What's your opinion on the use of these tools?

0:17.0

The problem is not overeating, per se, which is eating more calories in than calories out.

0:22.4

The problem is over hunger.

0:24.8

So if simply saying, oh, count your calories, like, that's the sort of don't hit icebergs sort of level of advice.

0:31.8

It's correct, but it's superficial.

0:40.2

Dr. Jason Fung, I want to start out here by busting some myths.

0:45.0

We're talking about fasting today.

0:46.8

The myth would be that fasting is going to activate starvation mode.

0:50.6

If I don't eat for a day, I'm going to burn up all my muscles.

0:53.6

Tell me why that's not true.

0:54.9

Yeah, so starvation mode is this idea that your body starts to shut. So if you think about

1:00.4

metabolic rate, which is the total number of calories you use in a day, people think it's

1:05.6

exercise, but most of it is not exercise, actually. It's mostly generation of body heat, your heart pumping, your lungs

1:12.6

going, your kidneys work, your liver, your brain. So all of that needs a certain amount of

1:17.5

energy, which is calories, right? So food energy is measured calories. And the idea is that if you

1:23.4

slow down your metabolic rate, so if you normally burn 2,000 calories a day, you can slow it down

1:28.7

quite a bit. You can slow it down to 1,500,000. I've even seen people with like 800 calories a day

1:35.2

metabolic rate. And the thing is that it is flexible, which is what, I don't know, I don't know why,

1:41.2

but nobody ever tells you that, but it can go up and it can go down.

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