Hey there, folks. I am Dave Holmes. Welcome to Troubled Waters, the show that treats popular culture as the most important kind of culture, because it is the one that will bum you out the least. Usually, on Troubled Waters, two teams of comedians will compete in a pop culture battle royale. In order to win this battle, each team will be called upon to use their smarts, their rhetorical skills, the college degrees, they're still

paying off to earn the coveted troubled waters title of Pundit Emeritus. The Punditus title automatically

gives a person's opinion on, let's say the upcoming Bachelor for Seniors series, more weight than a

civilians. We're going to have to get into that. There are nods all around the road. There are nods all around the road. Let's meet our teams.

Our first contestant performs at UCB.

He regularly hosts the podcast.

What's with these homies talking about Weezer.

He produces it Earwolf.

That's right.

Plays close to my heart. Matt Apataka.

Hello. How are you, sir? I'm great. How are you, Dave?

Good. Always great to see you. Oh, a joy. You're a legit bundle of joy.

Please, come on.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Your thoughts on Bachelor for Seniors.

Oh, you know, I don't watch The Bachelor.

I don't know if that's a controversial. Get the fuck out of here.

Okay, I'm so sorry.

I think literally everyone else watches The Bachelor.

I feel it.

I feel the daggers from everyone's eyes.

I think Bachelor for Seniors, everyone deserves a little love, don't they?

I think that might be the slogan.

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