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Alyssa Milano: Sorry Not Sorry

Fascism and Trump's Own Words - Part 1

Alyssa Milano: Sorry Not Sorry

Peace By Peace Productions

Politics, News

3.63.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Is Trump a fascist? Is MAGA a fascist movement? Give a listen to the first half of this two-parter and decide for yourself.

In the 1990s, Umberto Eco published the essay "Ur-Fascism," which explored fourteen common points of fascist movements and governments. In this episode, we present the first seven of those characteristics and then present Trump's own words, along with excerpts from the 2024 Republican Platform and words of prominent Trump supporters and administration members.



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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Alyssa Milano is the last week that you'll have to deal with just me. Alyssa will be back shortly. Back in the first Trump regime, many people on the left called Trump a fascist. I wasn't one of them, not because I believed he didn't demonstrate fascistic tendencies, but because I found the word to be rhetorically

0:55.1

ineffective. Once one of us said fascist, the other side stopped listening. Suffice it to say,

1:01.1

I no longer believe that, mainly because so many of Trump's followers are so deep into the bizarre

1:06.7

Trump cult that they can no longer accept objective reality.

1:11.4

And in fact, they are using words interchangeably like communist, fascist, Antifa, socialist,

1:16.9

and even liberal or democratic, even though these are words with specific meanings that are

1:21.7

not even a little bit the same thing.

1:23.9

With that in mind, I want to make sure that those of us on the left are not doing the same

1:28.3

thing using words like fascist, authoritarian, totalitarian, Republican, or the like.

1:33.5

So today, we're going to look at one of the best definitions of fascism, and then using the

1:38.5

words and policies of Trump and his regime demonstrate how Trump and Trumpism is a form of

1:43.9

fascism.

1:44.8

So buckle up, Buttercups, Professor Ben's class is in session.

1:52.8

Umberto Echo was, among other things, an Italian novelist and philosopher.

1:56.9

He wrote a novel called In The Name of the Rose, which was later made into a movie starring

2:01.0

Sean Connery and Christian Slater, kind of a smarter Da Vinci Code before there was a Da Vinci Code.

2:06.4

You should check it out. I bet you'll like it.

2:08.6

Echo also in 1991 wrote an essay titled Erfascism, in which he laid out 14 defining

2:15.7

shared characteristics of fascist organizations and countries. While this is not

2:21.1

the only definition of fascism, and there are many good ones, it is a thorough definition and expands

2:27.9

on those other definition more than it differs from them. In this episode, we'll go through the first

2:33.3

seven. We'll finish up in a later episode.

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