4.6 • 11K Ratings
🗓️ 2 June 2023
⏱️ 90 minutes
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0:00.0 | Russia invaded Ukraine 15 months ago. |
0:27.0 | For a time following the invasion, it was all the world could talk about. |
0:31.0 | It was all the show could talk about. |
0:33.0 | And now, as happens with a lot of stories huge at their outset, |
0:38.0 | now the Russia-Kran war is treated as one new story, I mean a major one, but one new story among many. |
0:45.0 | But it's still more than that. It's a kind of hyper story. |
0:48.0 | There is the conflict itself, which matters enormously. |
0:52.0 | And then there's a way it's reshaping global geopolitics and the relationships and balancing of the great powers. |
0:59.0 | Early in the invasion, I'd foreed Zakaryan to talk about the way it felt at that moment, |
1:03.0 | like we were re-entering an age of great power conflict. |
1:06.0 | So I wanted to have him back on now to discuss where the war is now, |
1:10.0 | what the prospects and possibilities of its end might be, |
1:13.0 | and how it's changed the relationships and competition between America and Europe and China and India, among others. |
1:20.0 | Zakaryan, of course, is host of the CNN show, Fried Zakaryan GPS. |
1:23.0 | He's a columnist for the Washington Post and the author of many, many books, |
1:27.0 | including most recently, Ten Lessons for a Post-Pandemic World. |
1:30.0 | As always, my email for guest suggestions, thoughts, etc. |
1:34.0 | As we're Client Show at nbytimes.com. |
1:41.0 | Fried Zakaryan, welcome back to the show. |
1:44.0 | Always a pleasure, Ezra. |
1:46.0 | We last talked on the show in March 2022. |
1:49.0 | This was right after Russian-Vedity Ukraine. |
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