Hey everyone Jody here. If you've been listening you know the drill by now we are in the middle of a four-part series on the

1975- 1976 Church Committee hearings and report which uncovered all sorts of

sketchy activity from intelligence agencies like the NSA, the CIA, FBI.

We've covered what the committee revealed about meddling abroad in other people's elections and so forth,

meddling at home with things like co-intel pro and domestic spying.

And today, part three of four, meddling in your mind.

This is all about those experiments and

schemes to use psychedelics and other drugs and basically use human guinea pigs

for this research which largely fell under the very notorious MK Ultra program.

And today's episode is a rerun.

Ha! I fooled you.

But look, you're already listening.

You might as well stay here.

But seriously, we did an episode on MK Ultra last year and it fits really nicely into this mini

series. So here it is in case you missed it or you want to listen again given the new context that we're doing.

It's really interesting stuff and our guest for the

Family Jewel series Rick Perlstein is not on this of course because we were

recording it last year but he will be back on for the fourth and final

episode of the series.

Okay, here we go.

Let's pick this up with me saying hello to Kelly and Nicky.

She here to discuss as always our Nicole Hammer of Columbia and Kelly Carter

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