Hey, welcome back to the Personality Hacker Podcast.

My name is Joel Mark Witt.

And I'm Antonio Dodge.

Today we have a special guest Susan Storm, who we're going to actually have a free form conversation with.

She's an online writer. She's created her own digital course around family dynamics and personality types.

So today we want to kind of have a rambly, interesting conversation with you, Susan, about

personality types, family dynamics, and wherever else this might lead us.

Welcome to Personality Hacker.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm really excited to be here. I'm a huge fan of your guys's work.

Cool. So how many, like tell, give us a little bit of context on how many kids you have and what your family dynamic looks like?

I have five kids.

A 13 year old, a 10 year old, a 5 year old, ayear-old, and a one-year-old.

And I'm at INFJ and my husband is an E-S-T.

So in our family, you know, usually when people talk about kids, they get into the general, not generational differences, but the birth order.

Like oldest children are always kind of this way and middle children are always this other way.

Youngest children are always another way,

but in our family it's actually very different

because our oldest child is very much not like your typical oldest child,

being that she's an I NTP.

She wants to keep to herself.

She doesn't really want to be in charge of anyone.

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