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Hey everybody, welcome to the Busy Mom podcast. My name is Heidi St. John, and you can find

me at thebusymom.com, and I'm here today with my partner in crime and my friend, who

has been co-hosting now with me for a while over here, and we're going to talk today more

about the holidays, specifically about family drama. What do you have to say about that,

Dorenda? She loves it. I am glad. She loves drama and her family.

Bring it. I'm just glad we're discussing it. We're glad we're talking about, we love it

because hey, you know what? Everybody's family has it. Your family has it. My family

has it. We all have a little bit of drama in our family. That's right. And I'm kind

of wondering as we think about this, if there isn't something that we could do to sort

of stave off the, to stave off the giant, what do you think? I think there is. Yeah,

there's got to be something like maybe we could not do Christmas. No, I'm not going to

work. Wait a second. I don't think the kids are going to go for that. Yeah. That's not

going to work. That idea. All right. So we need to think about ways that we can avoid

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