We've called this podcast nurture versus nurture because there are many different ways to raise sturdy, exuberant, educated kids.

Today, you'll have the pleasure of meeting a family with a 10-acre working farm,

Joan and Todd, and their fierce 11-year-old daughter, Sasha, and gentle 8-year-old son, Gus.

These children live the principle of what educators call experiential learning.

Sasha can tell when an alpine dairy goat is in heat, turns out they flag their tails.

She knows the lineage of every animal on the farm and how to talk to them using subtle shifts in tone.

This sister and brother used their environment and imagination to practice life skills.

If one goat picks on another, they are taken to goat court in the manger,

where the children present arguments on behalf of their clients,

and use a hammer as a gavel to wrap up the proceedings.

Yet Joan worries, are the children getting sufficiently civilized for the real world?

Are they too much like wild creatures themselves?

They leave a peanut butter knife in the middle of the couch,

shoes where someone might easily trip and frequently forget to flush the toilet even if they've pooped.

In this episode, you'll hear what the 11th century philosopher Moses Maimonides

has to say about effective strategies for getting kids to follow rules.

It's bribery, and it's different for young children and teenagers,

and you'll find out why I believe, along her toawa,

belongs on a farm, even when mom says,

we already have so many animals I couldn't even tell you the number.

Today's untranslatable word is finished.

Boran Kushema, P-O-R-O-N-K-U-S-E-M-A.

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