It has been 170 days since 15 days to slow the spread.

So it seems like good a time as any to take stock where we are now, how the coronavirus

pandemic stands, and most importantly, when we will be able to reopen our country.

This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.

Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. Welcome back to Verdict with Ted Cruz. I'm Michael Knowles, joined as ever by the senator and a very special guest, Steve

Dase of the Steve Dace show over at The Blaze.

I'm sure you've seen him everywhere.

And he's a longtime friend, not just

of the show, but of Senator Cruz as well. Steve, welcome. It's good to have you. You know,

Steve and I have spent thousands of hours together on the road, traveling. I got to tell you,

Steve is brilliant. He is a passionate conservative. But I got to tell you also,

there may be no one in the country who has lit my phone up with more texts during this whole

pandemic than Steve at every stage because he has been diving in from the beginning of this pandemic to the numbers, to what the

numbers mean, to what the testing tells us, to what the antibody numbers tell us, to what the

impacts of the shutdown tell us. And so Steve and I have talked about many, many issues at great

length.

But I think this pod in particular, it's valuable to get in to what's going on with the pandemic and the country right now.

So I know that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

And everybody seems to have their own statistics on this pandemic. And even I,

I try to keep my head into it. I can't really make heads or tails of it. I don't know what to believe. So, Steve, where do we stand on the coronavirus? I think if I could choose one point for us

to center the conversation on, it would really come down to what we've learned about our testing

metric guys because it goes to the heart of why we, you know, none of us are epidemiologists.

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