Falling Behind: Troublemakers
On Point with Meghna Chakrabarti
WBUR
4.3 • 3.9K Ratings
🗓️ 26 August 2025
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
'Boys will be boys.' How are perceptions about boys’ behavior in the classroom shaping their entire education? It’s part two of On Point’s weeklong series, "Falling Behind: The Miseducation of America's Boys."
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| 0:00.0 | Support for this podcast comes from Is Business Broken, a podcast from the Mayrotra Institute at BU Questrum School of Business that asks the thorny questions necessary for this moment. |
| 0:11.6 | Follow Is Business Broken and stay tuned for new episodes this fall. WBUR Podcasts, Boston. |
| 0:30.7 | Today's the day, five out of five. |
| 0:33.2 | My name is Andrew Cooper. |
| 0:37.9 | I'm a fifth grade teacher in Salt Lake City Public Schools, Salt Lake City, Utah. |
| 0:41.8 | I've been teaching in Salt Lake for 10 years. |
| 0:44.9 | Come on! |
| 0:52.6 | Fifth grade boys and girls present in generally two entirely different ways. |
| 0:56.9 | The boys in that formalized classroom setting, |
| 1:02.3 | they tend to be attention-seeking in ways that are far more kind of overt. |
| 1:04.7 | So they're doing things like jumping out of their seats, |
| 1:05.9 | they're shouting out answers. |
| 1:09.3 | They're like very energetic and like they want to be seen, |
| 1:12.4 | both by their teacher and by their peers. All right, thanks for me to get started |
| 1:15.7 | on your math spiral review. |
| 1:19.3 | I mean, right now in my class, I have a boy who is, |
| 1:24.6 | he's a force of nature. |
| 1:32.3 | Sitting down for long periods of time and paying attention is like not, it's not working. And what we found that works is like one-on-one, like me sitting next to him. |
| 1:37.3 | How do we know if something's a polygon versus a not, not a polygon? |
| 1:41.3 | If they have size. |
| 1:43.3 | Today, while another teacher was teaching the math lesson to the rest of the class, the math |
| 1:49.5 | lesson took 25 minutes. |
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