You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

you can always discover more with a podcast on BBC Sounds.

You're listening to the Scrum Fight podcast with Martin Williams and

Stephen Guerrero from BBC Radio Wales. So you've had your caramel shortbread?

Stagnan, thanks for that.

Yeah, we left the kicks till the end of the podcast last week so we went early I

I'd not really I wouldn't really it's before midday yeah I don't like having

cake or chocolate before midday no okay spoys your lunch but I was I was just took

a nibble and finished completely devoted good shock thanks

for that so yeah we left it too late well we almost left it too late for Nick

McLeod who listened right till the end he owns a bakery former team

I know I know Mac at this good job I listen to the end he says on Twitter I'll see what

I can do lads with a load of cake emojies. Out standing, Marco.

We're expecting big things.

There's a surprise on, there's a guy.

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