Welcome to the intersection of faith and culture. It's The Wall Builders Show, and it's the week of Christmas.

We've got a lot of great shows coming at you this week during Christmas week while you're celebrating with your family.

Today we're going to bring back Rudy Atala. We had him on last week, but he's going to be with us again today. After the break, guys, we just ran out of time last week when we had him on. There

were so many topics to cover to just catch up on things that have been happening around the

world. And one of the things we wanted to cover more with him was what the Nazarene Fund is doing,

rescuing persecuted Christians all over the world. And we wanted to talk a little bit more about what that might look like in 2025. Yeah, when we talked to Rudy last week, we really were kind of looking at

global stuff. He was really busy in Washington, D.C., like other members of the incoming

administration, they're all meeting in D.C., getting their stuff together, figuring out what they're

going to do first, how to hit the ground running. They're really doing a great job of being prepared to really move things in a good direction. And that's what kept him

really busy last week as the world seemed to be coming apart in so many areas. Well, and guys,

I mean, I'm still thinking about when the answer he was giving me, in my mind, the big question

is are we, should we be concerned about

world war three or not i know that was very interesting as he said it's what you're seeing right

now is a lot of nations posturing like russian ukraine for example that they're posturing

over what they think they might have to do because once trump gets there he's going to really work

to put an end of this. And so Putin will

have more ground. And Ukraine might say, well, you can keep it, but we're going to be a NATO nation.

There could be some major chess moves that are happening that as we look from the outside and see so

much of the conflict and think, man, it looks like the Biden administration is pushing us in

the World War III. It might not actually be a World War III coming, although there's still a lot

of question marks. And unfortunately, we still have roughly another month before there's a transition

and some of this policy might change. However, just kind of looking and acknowledging of the challenges that Trump's going to

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