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The Bible For Normal People

[Faith] Episode 65: James Kimmel, Jr. - This Is Your Brain on Revenge

The Bible For Normal People

The Bible for Normal People

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.73.4K Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Faith for Normal People, Pete and Jared talk with lawyer, lecturer, and author James Kimmel, Jr. about our primal desire for revenge against the people we feel have wronged us. James shares the science behind the belief that revenge is an addiction tied to gratification, and offers alternative strategies to break the revenge cycle and move towards a forgiveness-oriented approach to living. Show Notes → https://thebiblefornormalpeople.com/episode-65-james-kimmel-jr-this-is-your-brain-on-revenge/  Watch this episode on YouTube → https://youtu.be/qqlsFUf9hJ8 This episode is brought to you by Upper Room. Have you ever opened the Old Testament and felt more confused than inspired? You’re not alone. In his new book, Sacred Tension: Embracing Dissonance and Dialogue in the Old Testament, biblical scholar William P. Brown invites us to stop searching for one tidy, uniform voice in Scripture—and instead, discover the beauty in its complexity. If you love the Bible but aren’t afraid to wrestle with it, pick up Sacred Tension today—and save 20% off with promo code NORMAL at Store.UpperRoom.org. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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