You're listening to Faith for Normal People, the only other God ordained podcast on the internet.

I'm Peter Ns.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Welcome everyone to this episode of Faith for Normal People.

Before we get started, I want to talk about our March class, which is called Why God Died.

How Atonement Theories Try to Explain Salvation.

And that's going to be taught by Jennifer Garcia, Basha, our very own nerd in residence.

It's happening live for one night on March 28th from 8 to 9.30 pm Eastern time.

And as always, the class is pay what you can until the class ends.

And then you can download it after that for $25.

But if you get the class before the night of the class and you can't make it on March 28th from 8 to 9.30 pm,

that's okay.

We'll send you a link and you can always watch it later.

So just go to thebiblefornormalpeople.com, front slash atonement to sign up.

Now on today's episode, I'm asking the question, what if our bodies and feelings can be trusted with KJ Ramsey?

KJ is a trauma-informed licensed professional counselor and the author of The Lord is My Courage,

stepping through the shadows of fear toward the voice of love, and also this too shall last,

finding grace when suffering lingers.

And as you can tell by the title of those two books, she writes at the intersection of theology,

psychology, and spiritual formation.

And you'll get a lot of that in this conversation, which I really appreciated.

Now, don't forget to stay tuned at the end of the interview for quite a time with me and Pete,

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