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Faith, Critique, and Crimson Cup: Responding to Listener Feedback about Justice, Mental Health, and American Exceptionalism

Voxology

Voxology

Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.71K Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2018

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

From biblical justice to John Piper quotes, podcast guest Kevin #2 joins Mike for a wide-ranging conversation that blends humor, depth, and honest reflection on what it means to live out faith in today's world. This episode is a spirited response to listener feedback on previously covered topics like Rachel Denhollander and sexual abuse in the Church, critiques of political ideology, and theological hot takes circulating on social media.

Mike and Kevin unpack questions from listeners—some supportive, some critical—to clarify Voxology’s approach to justice, political discourse, and mental health. They challenge the evangelical obsession with protecting “witness” at the expense of truth and repentance and push back on outdated ideas that Christianity should prioritize platform over integrity.

You’ll hear everything from LaCroix vs. Crimson Cup, biblical references to mental strength, and an interruption from Mike's son reporting an NBA trade—because a true Voxology episode has both theology and randomness.

Key Takeaways:
• Responding to Criticism – Why Mike reads negative reviews publicly and how it sparks deeper reflection on theological consistency, especially around politics and power.
• The Evangelical Relationship to Power – Exploring why critiques of Trump among evangelicals matter and what it means to be prophetic within your own tribe.
• Justice and Abuse in the Church – Listener insights on why churches are ill-equipped to respond to abuse, and the need for training in peacemaking, advocacy, and spiritual accountability.
• Mental Health and Theology – Challenging harmful narratives that reduce mental illness to a lack of spiritual focus and affirming the need for holistic care that includes medicine, therapy, and theology.
• Nuance and Community Feedback – The value of diverse perspectives, the dangers of toxic theology, and why churches must do better in listening and learning from their own congregants.

Notable Quotes:
• “Jesus wasn’t turning over tables in the Roman temple. He was critiquing His own house. That’s why we critique the Church from the inside out.”
• “If you're saying mental illness is just a lack of faith or focus on God, you're doing harm. Full stop.”
• “America’s greatness can’t come at the expense of others. That’s not what kingdom greatness looks like.”

Resources & References:
• Boz Tchividjian – Net Grace
• Dr. Diane Langberg – DianeLangberg.com
• Rachel Denhollander – RachelDenhollander.com
• Clyde Kilby’s “Mental Health” quote discussed by Desiring God – Context for Quote

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello,

0:11.0

Hello, Internet.

0:14.0

Mike here with a very special guest today.

0:17.0

It is the middle of February, and the weather today is a very brisk 20 degrees in suburban Columbus, Ohio.

0:26.4

I love that I love that you guys all want to know what the weather is.

0:30.3

In Brea, California today, which is where we lived, it is right now 68 degrees.

0:37.1

So 48 degrees, what is 48 degrees between friends?

0:41.7

We had six inches of snow yesterday. There was shoveling involved. It was pretty funny. Now,

0:47.8

Andy could not be with us today. First episode recorded without Andy, although I've done a couple by myself, but this is with a

0:57.9

different co-host. So I've been trying, I've been trying to find an Ohio Andy. And we'll call

1:06.1

him Ohio, oh, oh, handy. And so, so we're going to give this guy test drive today. He's my buddy Kevin. Say hi, Kevin.

1:15.1

Hello, internet. This is my buddy Kevin from Columbus. Kevin is most famously known for telling me, before I

1:25.0

moved to Columbus, hey, I asked him, hey, what was the, what was the, what's the winter like?

1:31.1

And he says, you know, I bought a, I bought a, a slow shovel two years ago, and I haven't

1:36.8

used it in two years.

1:38.4

It's pretty mild, he says.

1:39.8

That is very true.

1:40.8

And, and this year, I think we've had more snow than we've had in what three

1:45.3

years the last three years combined absolutely so you lied no Kevin you lied took the tags

1:51.9

off my snow shovel a month ago it's so in December two months ago exactly didn't you

1:57.9

didn't need to shovel it's. It was just like an inch.

2:01.6

It doesn't matter.

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