You're listening to Rough Translation from NPR.

We are deep in our new season all about work.

If you've been checking it out in our last three episodes, it's been about seeing no to

work.

And what we might learn about our cultures and ourselves when we stand up and ask for rest.

I don't know about you, but it has made me realize I need a break.

It's no seriously.

Our whole team does need a break.

So today we are going to air one of my favorite episodes about work from 2019.

It has to do with busting a different kind of taboo that we carry into the workplace.

Talking honestly about messing up.

And a club that's formed around the world to do just that.

Here's the show.

When he was a kid growing up in Chiapas, Mexico, Pepe Vietaro was kind of an aw of his dad.

He could tell you a ruck.

Pepe remembers even as early as eight years old, he would spend his school vacations sitting

in the back seat of his dad's car driving around the bumpy back roads of Chiapas selling

stuff.

And I was super shy.

I am the joke in my family.

They say that until I was 18 years old, I didn't talk, which is kind of true.

And my dad would just tell me, you know, go ahead and sell this stuff.

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