Hey, it is Ezra.

I want to share a special preview of an awesome new show from the Vox Media Podcast Network

and Curved, our sister network that covers home, cities and communities.

It is called Nice Try and it is about something that I've been obsessed with forever.

Utopia is this idea that we can design from scratch, a community, a perfect way of living.

There will be so much better than what we already have.

Each season you'll hear stories about people who tried to design a better world and what

happens when those designs don't quite go according to plan.

These are, I don't know, I really love this podcast and I really think you will do.

It is worth checking out.

This season is called Wait For It Utopian and it is hosted by Avery Truffleman.

Avery Truffleman, tell me about Nice Try.

Well, Ezra Klein, Nice Try is a new podcast from curb.com.

It is a show about utopias and that definition is kind of porous.

It covers everything from the advent of suburbia to more cliché, polyamorous, multi-family

communes and the ways in which they kind of seem to inevitably always fail.

I love, Rizzoa Odiz, I love anything about utopias because it seems like we should be able

to figure out a way to make human life work and we just kind of can't.

We just always seem to end up in the muck of it and the more we try to closely architect

it, the worse the eventual destruction seems to become.

I'm curious how you decided to do a whole season on utopias.

Yeah, I think at this time, someone said this in a quote and I'm so sorry, I forget who

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