Welcome back to prosecuting Donald Trump. It is Tuesday, January 30th. I'm Andrew Weisman. I'm here with Mary McCord.

I'm Mary.

Good morning, Andrew.

And I know I know you're going to start already.

We're almost at three weeks without an opinion from the DC circuit on immunity and so my

predictions of one to two weeks have been completely blown out of the water.

I like how you're so guilt written over this that you have to

preempt what is it's like pre-buddle I was not even going there I know you were I was not

going to do that I mean I've made so many predictions that don't turn out so this is one where it's like you know people in glass houses

So we're going to at the end of the show just to do this in backwards and I really annoy our producers

we're going to do this in backwards we are going to talk about things that we're

waiting for of course the giant elephant in the room is we're waiting for the freaking DC circuit to the

giant elephant in the room is we're waiting for the freaking DC circuit to issue their immunity decision.

It's not that I think either of us is so worried about what the decision will say,

although obviously we're super interested in that, it's that there is an automatic stay in effect with respect to Judge Chuckkin's trial.

Everything's hanging on that decision, right?

Yes, and so this is one where Donald Trump could really lose the battle and win the war.

Every day is a victory in terms of the delay.

But anyway, so you've triggered me already. That's not even what this

episode is about. Okay, sorry. Exactly. We're really going to do talk about something that

actually is accountability and a sense of justice and a renewed faith in the judicial system this time,

the civil justice system. We're going to spend a lot of time talking about the E. Jean Carroll case and the results and we'll talk about sort of what it meant to each of us.

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