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ReThinking

Facing your fears with cliff diver Molly Carlson

ReThinking

TED

Worklife Podcasts, Adam Grant, Rethinking Podcast, Ted Podcast Adam Grant, Organizational Psychology, Ted Talks, Adam Grant Podcasts, Society & Culture

4.7626 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2025

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

Molly Carlson is a professional high diver, three-time runner-up at the Red Bull Cliff Diving World Series, and the founder of Brave Gang, an online community of people who encourage each other to face their fears together. In this episode, Molly and Adam reflect on anxiety and motivation, the functions and dysfunctions of fear, and how to harness the benefits and overcome the costs. They also discuss what Molly has learned from her challenges with mental health, body image, and asking for help.


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Host: Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: adamgrant.net/)

Guest: Molly Carlson (Instagram: @mollycarlson1 | TikTok: @mollycarlson | YouTube: @mollycarlson1


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https://www.mollycarlsonofficial.com/

https://bravegang.co/


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0:00.0

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0:06.0

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0:32.3

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0:34.3

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0:35.8

Hey, how's the hustle?

0:36.9

Pretty busy.

0:39.3

No side of chat. I'm married to the grind.

0:46.7

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0:53.9

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0:55.9

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0:59.9

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1:01.3

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1:04.3

Debbie was in a bit of a pickle.

1:08.3

A crisp and gurkin sandwiches just weren't selling.

1:12.9

Until she had the good idea to use Canver to design her logo,

1:15.7

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