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Have you ever wondered what you would do if your boss asked you to do something you believe was immoral or illegal?

Today, on this special episode of On Topic, you will hear from a former lawyer at the Justice

Department's Office of Legal Counsel during the Trump administration. She

quit her job in protest because she believed she was using the law to legitimize Trump's lie.

She told her story in the Washington Post.

And now she's here to help you understand how DOJ lawyers deal with the challenges of working for a president who engages in rampant constitutional violations.

How should the Trump administration's lawyers respond

when they're asked to legitimize lies?

Let's get on topic. Welcome to On Topic, a weekly in-depth look at a topic that helps us understand the week's news. My name is Renato Mariati. I'm a former federal

prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a CNN legal analyst. And today we have a very special episode of on topic. We are

bringing in Erica Newland who quit the Trump administration in protest when she was asked to do what it was in her

her in her words legitimizing lies as a justice department lawyer.

When I read Nereka's story,

I felt like she could help us understand

some of the things that I think

are on the minds of many of you. Why is it that we don't see more people quitting in protest? How is it that good people are working to carry forward an administration at a time does things that look to be immoral, like separating children, for example.

What can we learn from her experience that we might be able to use as a way of understanding more broadly what is happening in the Trump administration.

That is why I've asked Erica on the podcast.

So I interviewed her a few days ago and I think that this interview, while it's not about the week's news, is important and insightful for us to understand why it is that thousands of people are working and caring for the policies

of someone that they disagree with. So welcome to the show Erica thank you very

much for joining us.

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