Ezra Klein: The Resistance, Back from the Dead

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The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

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🗓️ 7 February 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Partly because of the courts and partly because the White House keeps stepping on rakes or trying to break everything, the Dems who were too chill about Trump pre- and post-election have fully moved into 'threat to the Republic' mode. Meanwhile, angry bureaucrats, particularly at the FBI, are digging in. But don't be sanguine because the administration is still trying to take a wrecking ball to the civil service— anything that goes wrong that involves the government though (like that measles outbreak in Texas) they're going to own from here on out. Plus, Trump's dirty energy policy, the challenge of getting his tax cuts through Congress, and Kanye goes all in on Hitler.

Ezra Klein joins Tim on the weekend pod.

show notes
Ezra's forthcoming book with Derek Thompson, "Abundance"
Ezra's show on YouTube
Measles Outbreak Mounts Among Children in One of Texas’ Least Vaccinated Counties
Tim's playlist

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to the Bullard podcast.
0:09.4	I'm your host Tim Miller.
0:10.7	Delighted to welcome back opinion columnist at the New York Times and host of the Ezra Klein
0:15.2	Show, which is a podcast, but also available on YouTube.
0:18.8	He's also the co-author of the forthcoming book, Abundance,
0:21.3	with the Atlantics, Derek Thompson, who I like better than Ezra. That's out next month. We'll be
0:26.1	talking about that, you know, I don't know, in March or something. We got some other news. How you
0:29.9	doing, Ezra? I'm right. An amazing drive-by there in the intro. Thank you for that, Tim. Well, we love Derek. Derek is more likable.
0:40.4	I don't think that's under debate.
0:41.3	Yeah, I don't know. There's something about your new facial hair also that is, I think, hurting your
0:44.9	likability quotient a little bit.
0:46.3	It feels like it's a dark Ezra era.
0:48.4	Have you looked at the era we're in?
0:50.4	Yeah.
0:51.2	You think this is time for light, Ezra?
0:54.0	That's a fair point.
0:55.0	That's a fair point.
0:56.0	All right.
0:56.4	The last time you're on the pod, we were in the period between the Biden debate debacle and him actually stepping aside.
1:03.2	You said something then that created a little stir.
1:06.3	It was this.
1:07.0	He said, I've had top Democrats say to me basically something like, I don't know why all these Democrats who think Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy are acting the way they are.
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