Lemonada. Before we get into it today, next month we'll mark nine years of Talk Easy with Sam

Forgoso, which is a sentence I'm only able to say because of everyone that has worked on this show

and especially everyone that has listened to it.

And so, in thinking about how to celebrate the anniversary, we've been mapping out some episodes

that take us outside the podcast studio.

Because as much as I love taping in beautifully soundproof rooms with no windows whatsoever,

I want to continue expanding the scope of the program,

which hopefully includes some of you and your stories.

I'll share more in the coming weeks and months,

but if this vague invitation to sit down and talk sounds at all appealing,

reach out to mail at talk easypod.com.

All I ask is that you include the city you're writing from and what you do for work, or what in a perfect world you'd like to do for work. Again, the email is mail at talkasypod.com. I look forward to hearing from you.

Now, on the show.

This is Talk Easy. I'm Sam for Go, so welcome to the show. Today, journalist, author, podcaster, has recline.

I've been back and forth between New York and Los Angeles for the past couple months.

And because these are predominantly liberal cities, and my hair-linked basically

gives away my politics, the most common refrain I've heard from family, from friends, from

strangers at a bar, in a cab at the grocery store, is something like post-election.

Where is the Democratic Party? Hell, in 2025, what even is the Democratic Party? What's the

plan here? Well, Ezra Klein and co-author Derek Thompson have, if not a plan, at least a vision,

for what Democrats could look like next. The answer, at least in their eyes, is the title of their new book, Abundance,

from Simon and Schuster. In it, they offer what has been rendered a paradigm-shifting call

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