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Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back.

Opinion columnist at the New York Times, host of the Ezra Klein Show, co-author of the book, Abundance, which you may have heard a little bit about. It's Ezra Klein. What's up, man? Hey, good to see you. It's good to see you. We actually didn't do, you were on every single podcast in America for the Abundance Tour, except this one. I was waiting for my invitation back to him. Is that true? Is that true? I thought we were going to do it. We'll do a little abundance chat at the end. A lot of other stuff has happened since then. You're like a, you're like a light man. We all know you like, we all know you like Derek better than me, though. I saw that little bit of you guys. Don't pretend. A little glimmer in my eye when I'm talking to Derek. You can't say.

You can always tell when the warm visceral I saw that little bit of you guys. Don't, don't pretend it. A little glimmer in my eye when I'm talking to Derek.

You can't say, you can always tell when the warmth is really there.

Yeah, I'm easy to read.

Yeah.

You know, with Derek, there's just something a little extra special.

We all feel like that.

Thrill up my leg.

Okay.

You've been a lightning rot lately.

Two columns and one comment on ross's podcast you said it's immoral for dems to go along

with the budget essentially in one column and uh and you support of his shutdown you said that

if you believe the other side is a threat you need to run more socially conservative people

in red states that was you with ross you You said, Charlie Kirk did politics the right way.

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