Hi everybody, I'm John Don Van, host and moderator of Intelligent Squared US debates.

And in this episode, we're not going to be doing a debate as you know we normally do,

but if you're regular listeners, you know, also sometimes we depart from that format.

And we have a conversation about the quality of our public discourse and what's going

on with it and what are its underlying dynamics and how do we make it better.

We call this the discourse disruptor series.

And in this episode, I'm going to be talking with Ezra Klein, who is one of our more influential

political commentators today.

We will be having a conversation about how you, our audience, can move beyond partisanship

for its own sake and move beyond political talking points to think in ways that will

help you make real decisions that are based on fact and reason and a true understanding

of the issues you care about most.

And that's what we think we do in our debates and that's what we're hoping these conversations

also help you do.

You can listen to all of our discourse disruptor series by visiting us online at IQ2US.org.

That's IQ, the number two, US.org.

So joining me and I want to thank you for coming to Intelligent Squared Ezra Klein, thanks

for being part of this.

I'm thrilled to be here.

Ezra, for those who don't know, you are editor at large, a Vox, your co-founder of Vox,

your host of the podcast, the Ezra Klein Show.

And you've come out with a new book.

...