Ezra Klein on Trump framing, rallies, polls, policies and the "counterfactuals"

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🗓️ 6 July 2018

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Vox's Ezra Klein has some strong words for Brian Stelter about the choices newsrooms make. He wonders why President Trump's comments at rallies receive so much attention. He also sounds off on the appointment of Bill Shine and the media's framing of Trump's poll numbers. "One of the hard things that we do badly in journalism," he says, is "that we don't make clear to our audience what is our counterfactual... what is the other option."To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Framing. This edition of our podcast is all about framing. How we frame
0:07.8	political stories, what we leave in and what we leave out. I'm Brian Selter and it's time for the story behind the story.
0:15.4	This is our Reliable Sources, Podcast, our weekly chance to go in depth with media
0:20.7	leaders and newsmakers. And this week I'm thrilled to be joined by Ezra Klein, the editor at large at Vox,
0:27.0	and the host of the Ezra Klein show Podcast.
0:29.0	So we're doing a podcast swap here.
0:31.0	Ezra, thanks for talking with me.
0:32.0	I'm glad to be here. Ezra, thanks for talking with me.
0:32.6	I'm glad to be here.
0:34.4	You've written a lot this week,
0:36.4	including about President Trump's poll numbers,
0:39.0	some recent hiring news at the White House.
0:41.8	I wanted to start with the point you were making
0:44.4	about President Trump's performance in approval rating polls. You know, we're
0:48.3	talking here on Friday, July 6th. Another remarkable jobs report has just come out and you've suggested
0:54.7	the press is framing stories about the president's approval numbers in the
0:58.5	wrong way. How so? So I was reading an Axios piece by Mike Allen and Jim Vandahe, and it was titled I believe it was Trump's winning cynical plan.
1:08.0	And the idea was, it was about a week ago, and the idea was that Trump was now at 45% in Gallup.
1:12.8	And this was showing that Donald Trump had figured something out.
1:15.1	They said advisors to Trump believe
1:17.1	that Trump himself believes that he's figured it out.
1:19.8	What he needs to do is say outrageous crazy things, all the libs mad and it's like this
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