In the Ten Steps to Autocracy, step four is convincing citizens that democracy just isn’t working. If democracy isn’t working, then people will be seduced by populist promises and grievance politics. That’s why Democrats and the rest of us standing up to autocracy must have a positive vision of the future, and a realistic path to get there. One idea that has taken off among those thinking about Democrats’ next act is the “abundance agenda.” Crafted in their co-authored book Abundance, Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson argue for a simple but powerful idea: Democrats need to operate from a place of plenty, not scarcity. Liberalism can’t just protect and preserve, it must build the economy, infrastructure, power and reach. On today’s show, Stacey sits down with Ezra Klein, New York Times columnist, host of his popular eponymous podcast, The Ezra Klein Show, and co-author of Abundance, to ask: Can this vision help us reclaim the promise of democracy and redefine Democrats as the party that actually serves the people? And how can it be used not only to improve Americans’ lives, but also to stop Trump and the Republicans in their tracks? Learn & Do More: BE CURIOUS: If you want to dig deeper into the Abundance Agenda grab Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson’s book Abundance—available wherever books are sold. And for smart, trusted takes, I strongly encourage you to listen to The Ezra Klein Show. SOLVE PROBLEMS: As Ezra said, the hoops we often have to jump through to be heard by people in power favors those who are already powerful. Show up to local meetings where the public has the right to comment on something that’s happening in your community, and advocate for those who can’t be there. DO GOOD: What is unfolding in D.C. is more than an over-reach. It is yet another example of Step 9 of the 10 steps toward autocracy, which expands the use of military power and creates space for private violence. One of the targets for this occupation and removal are the homeless in Washington. If you want to support those who are pushing back, please consider making a donation to Miriam’s Kitchen, which uses a comprehensive approach to eliminating the housing crisis in Washington – from providing meals and connecting people to social services, to advocating for providing the homeless with permanent, stable housing. Visit miriamskitchen.org.