Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson on How Democrats Can Build Their Way Back to Power

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Crooked Media

News, Politics

4.6 • 83.5K Ratings

🗓️ 30 March 2025

⏱️ 60 minutes

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In their new book, Abundance, journalists Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson argue that Trump's scarcity mindset is suffocating the country: America doesn’t do enough manufacturing? Better cut back on trade. Not enough jobs or housing? Get rid of immigrants. Klein and Thompson sit down with Jon to explain how faster (and better) infrastructure projects can re-engage Democrats’ base, why tolerating government failure has made liberals look bad, and whether the accusations of neoliberalism that have been levied at the book are a fair criticism of the "abundance agenda."

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