Asra Klein of the New York Times wields a lot of influence in some parts of Capitol Hill.

If you want to talk policy, Ezra Klein is the man to call.

Ezra Klein, who believes that Biden has been a very good president,

makes the case that he should bow out of this campaign.

He was on television urging Democrats, shut down the government.

Ezra Klein says that Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way.

Journalism is dead. Legacy media is dead.

We're living in a time when truth is under pressure.

When misinformation and disinformation spreads faster than facts and when journalism is being challenged in unprecedented ways.

Asra Klein is an author and columnist for the New York Times.

He also writes about polarization in American politics,

and he tackles a whole host of big issues in his podcast,

the Ezra Klein Show.

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We do our recording in a gray box.

Yeah, it has very...

I'm like, yeah, it seems like we should... I don't live my life in a gray box. It's not authentic to me. Do you think they chose that because it feels like... Oh, they chose that because that's the room in which we recorded, and there were no other rooms. There's not a... That's not a plan. We'll see see what happens over time but moving a video was something

that that we pushed oh god there hadn't been a build out for that or he was torn about that

what do you how do you feel about it torn i mean it's a big it's a big audience new audience um

I don't like having to think about how I look and And, you know, the way in which things go viral is double-edged. Like, yeah. Podcasts are an in-context medium and virality is and out-of-context. No one clips a podcast. Like no one. Right. No one clips an audio podcast. No one goes like, oh, this clip. I mean, you've probably seen this over the years when I was at the Daily Show. We always see how there'd be a scandal of a politician saying something, but it was only an audio. Never really went anywhere. Yeah. That's why I always think Trumps grabbed him by the pussy, never derailed him, because he's not on camera saying it.

That's interesting. Yeah, I guess the only one that really worked was Mitt Romney is like 47%. That was the audio in it. Which one was that one? You remember he gave this riff at a fundraiser. He's like, look, 47% of the country are takers. Oh, no, I don't remember that. Oh, yeah. It's a big deal of 2012. Oh, and that ended his...

It didn't end anything.

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