Welcome to Housewives of True Crime. I'm Tabitha, your True Crime Housewife, and I'm bringing you real crimes, real twists, and searching for real justice every week.

I've got a brand new disco biscuit riding shotgun, sometimes a fan, sometimes a friend, but someone always fabulous. So grab whatever

you're drinking these days, press play, and let's talk crime in the carpool line. Kling, clink.

Talk a crime. Talk a crime with a carpal line. How to buy it's going to church you.

A couple of crime. How to am with my, I want to actually call you my BFF now because we've known each other long enough, Tom, that I feel like you're one of my besties.

And so none other than Tom Smith.

You guys remember him.

He's a retired NYPD and just the coolest guy on the planet.

So welcome.

Thank you so much.

And I'll take the BFF for sure.

100%. 100%. And I'm so thrilled that Tom is here because he's a real busy guy now on Nancy

Grace and all these like these big time TV shows. And so to give me a little piece of your time

is really, it gets my heart. Well, but always remember where it started

and who it started with and all that and they get first crack. So that's why you text me,

hey, we got to do this. Okay, let's go. Yes. Okay. So we are talking about the case that I just did on Monday about J.J. Velazquez and his wrongful conviction.

And I thought, what a better person to bring on than Tom?

Because Tom was in New York when this case was going down.

Not necessarily that you were a part of it, but you were in the office

or offices. You were a detective at the time. And so we haven't even spoke about this. I just kind of

was like, hey, Tom, let's talk about it. Let's see what you knew, who you knew, how you knew,

and what was going down and why this could have happened. So what do you what is your,

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