You're about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about the

podcast I work on. I'm Dan Clark and I commissioned factual podcasts at the BBC.

It's a massive area but I'd sum it up as stories to help us make sense of the forces shaping the world.

What podcasting does is give us the space and the time to take brilliant BBC journalism

and tell amazing compelling stories that really get behind the headlines.

And what I get really excited about is when we find a way of drawing you into a subject

you might not even have thought you were interested in.

Whether it's investigations, science, tech, politics, culture, true crime, the environment,

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Just go with it.

Close your eyes.

Think back to the 29th of September 2007.

Now it comes around almost as regularly as Christmas.

Another man gone after another dismal Welsh rugby performance.

The Welsh rugby union sacked Gareth Jenkins just a day after Wales World Cup exit at the hands of Fiji.

Yeah, really sorry, but we had to go there.

And I've been watching that game back recently.

You know what?

It's an absolute belt from a neutral's perspective.

From Wales' point of view, well it more or less signals the beginning of the Gutland era because Garth Jenkins

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