Hello, I'm Hilary Fkinner. Now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day

and the stuff that's even more important than politics do. And joining me are two Titans of the Times

and the Sunday Times, and they are Libby Purvis. Hello, Libby.

Hello. How are you? I'm fine. I'm actually in the studio so you can look at me. I can see that.

You can take my pulse if you like.

You're all right. Well, maybe, maybe later.

And James Marriott, James, how are you?

Yeah, roaring to go.

I'm just, it's very exciting to have you here.

I actually feel slightly tired, but I worry, keep saying that, Why are you feeling tired? Let me guess. As a young person you were up last night, clubbing.

I was up last night reading, and then I woke up extremely early against my will.

I mean, that's much less glamorous than I was hoping for.

Yeah, no, I mean, probably somewhat more predictable.

But yes, no, I'm going to feign beans and enthusiasm.

Not faint. I'm enthusiastic. What were you reading? Was it some sort of youthful screed that, you know, some, some hip new thing written in

some language I wouldn't even understand?

No, I'm afraid it wasn't.

It was Eric Hobbsborms, the Age of Revolution.

First of his trilogy of books about the 19th century.

It's actually very, very good book.

You're a constant disappointment to me, James, Marriott. Honestly, you really are. No, actually, that's exactly the answer. I was open for you. So quite the opposite. Let's crack on. We've got a lot of cover. Let's start off with, look, in front of pretty much, well, a lot of the papers today, the government is said to have rejected recommendations from home office officials put forward off. I put forward in a report it commissioned in

August after all the riots that broke out after the Southport attack. The report said that people

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