Hey there. It's Stephen Dubner. We are slipping to

Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner. We are slipping into your Freakonomics Radio feed today with a bonus episode.

It is a conversation with Jason Kelsey, the longtime center for the Philadelphia Eagles.

In case you don't follow American football, Kelsey is one of the Eagles best and most popular players and the Eagles are one of the best and most popular teams in the NFL. They won the Super Bowl in 2018 and last

season they made it back to the Super Bowl but they lost to the Kansas City Chiefs.

One of the Chiefs best players happens to be Jason Kelsey's little brother,

Travis. This was the first time that brothers had ever played against each other in the Super Bowl.

The Eagles and Chiefs are two of the best teams in the NFL this year too

and they happen to be playing each other again this week on November 20th.

At the start of this season we put out an episode called When is a Superstar, just another employee.

It was about a survey conducted by the NFL Players Association, the Union, which they turned into

a report card that graded all 32 teams on their workplace conditions.

Jason Kelsey was one of the voices we heard from in that episode,

but only for a few minutes. The full interview with him was well over an hour, so I thought you might like to hear the whole thing now.

The Kelsey brothers have become a phenomenon over the past year or so. They make one of the most popular podcasts

around called New Heights. They are in TV commercials together, along with their mom.

Jason was the subject of a documentary on Amazon Prime.

Travis, if you haven't heard, but I'm guessing you have.

Travis has been dating Taylor Swift.

But it was Jason, who was just named one of People Magazine's Sexiest Men of the Year.

The interview you're about to hear was done in late spring before the current NFL season began,

so there will not be any Taylor Swift gossip sorry

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