From the Secret Caball Studios, it's the Secret Caball Express.

Today, Chris and Jamie are joined by honorary founder Stephen Bonacour of Stronghold Games

to discuss excellent Christmas gift ideas for the gamer in your life.

And now please welcome the Secret Caball Founders.

Hey now everybody and welcome to another episode of The Secret Caball Express.

This is Jamie and today I am accompanied by one of my favorite founders of all time. Me, that would be Mr. Chris Miller. Hey, Jamie. Thanks for having me

on this episode. It's great. Oh, I'm always glad to have you on the show, Chris. And, of course,

we couldn't let another year go by without having one of the greatest, the incomparable, the hardest working man in all of board gaming.

And one of our very good friends, Mr. Stephen Bonacour of Stronghold Games is with us today.

An honorary founder, right?

You are an honorary founder, absolutely, in that very

short list of honorary founders. It's great to be here, guys. Thank you again so much for having me back.

Even if, even sometimes I have to like cajole you into getting me back on. No, I know you never,

I never do. But it's always, always wonderful to talk to you guys, either in person or on the show,

and we have such a great time we do it. So thanks so much for having me back.

This is particularly worthwhile to have you on this episode after that giant prize pack

you gave us for the giveaway.

Oh, you're welcome. That was, yeah, that was easy, though. And you guys, you guys reached out

and they go like, hey, you want to, you know, out and they go like hey uh you want to

you know what the other companies doing do you want to be on this and i'm like course i'm going to

do it i'm just not sure of the show damn it actually we kind of alluded to that you were doing it

before you even just said anything i said as soon as he comes home from mexico we'll we'll see if he

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