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my greatest rivals to some of today's current heroes, I'm joined by Chris

Makadi, renowned spot broadcaster, as we bring you the on-tall stories, but on and off the

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I'm so happy to be here, babe. I'm just really grateful that you've asked me to come on

and we can talk about this, that we're going to talk about today and hopefully raise some

awareness that could prevent someone else from going through it.

Yeah, you've come through some shit in your life, survivor of human trafficking, survivor

of satanic ritual abuse. The dark, dark stuff that a lot of people don't think go on

in a sleep, like the sun went on, Dave. Some madness goes on, you know this, I know this,

I've had people once speaking about it before and it is scary to actually what goes on

and things seem to be getting worse. People speak out about it in the kind of, I don't

know, it finds kind of people kind of twist things and that's the scary thing. This is what

nobody wants to talk about, but fuck it, we're here, let's go for it and then, first of all,

how old are you? Yeah, no, I'm so like, I'm so like, I guess I'm a bit anxious because

my body always knows that I'm going back there mentally, but now every time I do one

of these interviews, but I just know that it's stopping because I keep saying to people,

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