Were there any negative things about working with REI that you guys kind of wanted to get away from?

So there was a lot that kind of went down. Anything massive, like a corporation, you've got politics.

That was creating a ton of friction. The show could quite literally not have continued.

The way that people had known it had we stayed.

Are you and Miranda dating? Um, here's this screen. How's it going, everybody? Welcome

back to Trail Tales. My name is Kyle O'Grady. I'm a through hiker. I am a peak bagger. I am a

huge hiking nerd. And every single week on this podcast, which is now a video podcast, by the way, I chat

with other hiking nerds about their experiences on the trail.

And this episode is going to be a banger dude.

And so is next week, by the way.

So you've got to subscribe to the YouTube and all the podcast things.

But without further ado, Rainer Golden is on the show. Rainer, what's going on,

man? Hey, Kyle. I'm impressed with that intro, by the way. That was smooth. Thank you. That was way

shorter than they have traditionally been, but I'm trying to shorten them up for YouTube retention

reasons. Yeah, I know. You understand that better than most. Yeah, I do. As a producer, I'm like, that intro buttoned up, impressed.

I would have had no notes.

If I really wanted to go for retention, though, the first thing out of my mouth would

have been, hey, Rainer, are you and Miranda dating?

But we're going to get to that later.

We got a long ways to go before we get there, actually. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself, dude?

Who is Rainer Golden?

Oh, man.

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